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This entry was posted on 10/3/2007 10:19 AM and is filed under uncategorized.

Much has been made of the stadium and the debate.  I won't talk about the SLC mayor race other than to say I really, really don't like Jenny Wilson.  The fact that she graduated from Harvard makes me really suspect of a degree from that institution, maybe someone needs to redo their accreditation.

A couple of points and my thoughts:
1-The stadium location-While Sandy isn't as desirable as downtown, I don't see this as a huge drawback especially in light of the new Front Runner trains that will run from just north of Ogden to Salt Lake.  If the projections are right on this, It will make my commute to matches about the same as what it is now driving to RES.  As for lack of nightlife around Sandy, much as I and most of my friends would prefer something like that, for the vast majority of fans, it will not be an issue since they just go home after matches.  Also, if projections are correct, the stadium will spur new development in the area and some of that will likely be things that promote nightlife. 

2-Natural grass of full regulations size-How other fans around MLS have in their head that the pitch will be plastic, I don't know.  RSL has a long-standing relationship with Chanshare Sod Farm and will buy their sod from them.  It has not been said, but I would assume that RSL will do something similar to Colorado and have as wide a pitch as possible.  Even if not that wide, it will still be much better than RES.

3-Beer-I don't get why this is even an issue.  Beer is sold at the Jazz and Bees and nobody seems to care.  If you don't want a beer, don't buy one, just because it's there does not mean you have to drink it.  I still think that there needs to be "family" sections and "supporter's" sections so that the drunks don't ruin the experience for those who want to bring their 5-year-olds.  I'm sensitive to that and I know that RCB as a whole has been advocating for this sort of thing since 2005.  Give us a place where we can do our thing and not bother those who don't want to participate and everyone will be happier.  I don't agree with the arguement that family sections should not have beer in them.  Sorry but I know plenty of families where beer is a welcome beverage. Really I think this is, like so many things in Utah about religion.  I'm sure I'm going to get people saying I'm a bigot or something for this, but Mormons do not have a corner on the market on the concept of family.  Why don't we just label the "family' sections the "Mormon" sections?  That's in efffect what is going to be done.  Religion in Utah politics is the big elephant in the closet, it's the subject that nobody can talk frankly about, but it's influence is felt in so many different aspects of life in this state.  You just can't say Mormon or LDS in public, so you have to use euphemisms like "family-friendly" and others that really translate into Mormon, but are more acceptible.  That's just my little rant.  If you don't want to drink beer, great, don't buy it.  But let me have the right to drink (responsibly) while I watch the match.

Otherwise, the stadium will be beautiful.  I had the chance to drive by the site on Friday and it definately is starting to look like a stadium.  It's certainly exciting to see the progress.

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    • 10/4/2007 1:31 PM Kevin wrote:
      As a Mormon, I'm not offended by your remarks. If it's a "no beer" section, call it a no beer section. Although you could certainly sit in a "beer" section with your family and be fine, just like at almost any other sporting event. It's mostly semantics.
      As to your comment about not saying "Mormon" in public, and using euphemisms-- that cuts both ways in our peculiar little society here. Just look at ads for the local microbreweries here-- nearly every ad is a (slightly) veiled caricature of LDS culture, values or beliefs: Polygamy Porter (you wouldn't sell Jerusalem pork chops), or "Helping you survive Utah" ad campaigns.
      I think the solution is to be more straightforward and open all the way around, and I suspect that the majorities on both sides of the so-called cultural divide would appreciate the honesty, and minorities in both camps would be highly offended, which is what they do anyway.
      My wife, a New Jersey girl, says that Utahns (and westerners in general) rarely say what they really mean, anyway.
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      1. 10/4/2007 11:23 PM EmeraldCityGunner wrote:
        Why do people get so upset about alcohol? This just doesn't even make sense any more. We consider ourselves to be this "free and liberal society" and yet we bitch and moan about where we can and can't drink. Well folks, it's legal in this society. Same with tobacco. They both kill people but are both totally awesome when enjoyed responsibly.

        Tongue in cheek stuff is funny. I like the idea of Polygamy Porter. It's funny, even though I'm engaged and have always believed in monogomy. Same with the Utah signs.

        People take things entirely too seriously. Let's all just love our lives and get out of one another's business.

        Sorry to rant.... Based on my reading of Kevin's post we're thinking similar things. I think I'm just a little more bold in my statement.
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    • 10/5/2007 9:04 AM Taragui wrote:
      As a Mormon, it's nice to hear other people speak clearly on this. I personally don't care if you drink beer, enjoy yourself. As long as you're responsible about it and don't endanger anyone (which can and usually is done), go for it. People should never be forced to submit to someone else's "values", unless what you're doing adversely affects those around you as well (I'm talking blatant stuff, like DUI, throwing things, etc. here).

      And while we're on the subject, is there any organized group out there that is anti family values? Everyone is going to claim to be pro-family, there are just different interpretations of what that means. The devil is in the details.

      The bottom line for me is that there are good people and bad people. The Mormon chuch, the ACLU, the Democratic Party, the Christian Coalition, Planned Parenthood, the Republican party, etc. all have their share of both. You just have to use your judgement when it comes to personal associations and not base your dealings with individuals on whether or not they are affiliated with a specific group.
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      1. 10/5/2007 10:56 AM RCB Donk wrote:
        With 20,000 people, there is no way that all will be responsible but at $8 per glass of watered down stadium beer, I think it will be less of a problem than it is being played up to be.  I agree with you on the blatant stuff since I tend be generally fall in the drunken segment of RSL fandom.

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    • 10/5/2007 4:45 PM Paul Peterson wrote:
      As a Mormon and a RSL fan I hope the powers that be will let me have a choice of what to drink at the new stadium.I hope they will let me use my free agentcey to choice beer or no beer caffine or no caffine hotdog or popcorn.No I dont drink but I used to I chose not to drink anymore 18 years ago.People can make choices all by them selfs.If your old enough to go fight for your country arent you old enough to have a beer?
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      1. 10/5/2007 5:12 PM RCB Donk wrote:
        Glad to hear from you again Paul.  I hope I'll see you on Saturday.  This is exactly what I was hoping to get across, why restrict the sale of beer, why not just let people decide on thier own. 

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    • 10/5/2007 10:22 PM Ben H wrote:
      I think that too many people on both the left and the right of social issues choose to be offended. I consider myself a well doctrinally founded Mormom. IMHO, drinking beer is not a sin. Some of the stupid things that people do when they are drunk are sins. People do things when they are drunk that they would not do otherwise. But if you can drink responsibly, have one on me. The more $8 beers that are sold in the stadium, the less my season tickets will cost.
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